Greetings. This is Gary Bean welcoming you to the L/L Research Podcast, In the Now, Number 67.

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During this podcast, we respond to questions. These questions are sent to us from spiritual seekers like you. Our panel consists of three very fine people–well, at least two fine people–Jim McCarty and Austin Bridges, and a third, myself. Each of us is a devoted student of the Law of One. Your questions allow us to explore the Law of One and related matters of metaphysical interest. We hope in doing this to offer a resource that enhances your own seeking process.

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Again, I’m Gary Bean and we are beginning a new episode of L/L Research’s weekly podcast, In the Now. Jim McCarty and Austin Bridges, you guys with us and ready to go?

Yes, and yes.

I’m ready.

All right, that sounds like a green light. So, our first question, and maybe our only question for the show depending on our replies, comes from Major Third via Bring4th. Major Third writes:

“How much do you share about your own spiritual thoughts in your everyday life? I feel that being a very openly spiritual person, sharing too much of seemingly weird thoughts and ideas in some aspects makes it harder for one to be of service to people that might need it very much. On the other hand, many of us have an urge to continue our spiritual journey and perhaps be more transparent about who we are, to be ourselves. Also, to spend more time with people with similar ideas. What are the pros/cons of being a, ‘Wanderer in disguise,’ so to speak. How do we find balance in this regard?”

Well, Jim, what do you think?

Well, the pros, I would say, of being a Wanderer, are that you get a chance to be of service to people, which is why we’re here. That’s how we polarize and go further in our own journeys at all levels of experience. All Wanderers have come back to Earth, I believe, in order to help out just by our very presence to start with, and then by specific things that we can do. Maybe we have some talents that we can offer as a way of being a teacher, a healer or an organizer, or maybe we were into the arts, dance, music, poetry and writing, some way of sharing the love and the light of the Creator in a way that people can understand fairly easily because it’s common and accepted as a way of offering yourself to others in service, whether you’re a Wanderer or not.

But then I think each wander also has a desire to kind of get a little deeper. I think that’s what major Third is talking about here. How do you really satisfy your own soul that wants to get into the thick of the spiritual journey and the asthma of illusion we have here on Earth? You really want to get out there and do something to help out because it just seems so obvious that there’s so much confusion, there’s so much anger, so much division. So, what can we do?

Perhaps you might want to get out and just maybe just stand on the street corner with a sign that says, “Available for Help” like Lucy and Peanuts Psychiatry, $0.05. But you really can’t do that, which he knows. And we all know that because unless people are asking you for some kind of assistance, what you say is just not going to be listened to. People are usually at some point willing to ask, but most of the time they’re not. They don’t want to talk about all the stuff that goes on in a spiritual journey because they’re busy trying to support a family, get an education, and trying to help their kids get through school. It’s one thing and another—the stuff of third density, as Ra calls it. Most of them don’t see the stuff of third density as a means to grow spiritually. They see it as an end in itself.

So, I think what you first have to do as a Wanderer—or anybody who wants to be of service-to-others—is wait to be asked, and then it’s sort of up to you to play it by ear as to how much you say. Don had a philosophy that I think works well for me, although I have a hard time adhering to it. He always said, “maintain the baby step. Don’t go too far, don’t go too fast. Just keep it simple, stupid,” because people can’t take in a whole lot at once. If they can just grasp a little seed kernel of what you’ve got to say, maybe it’ll grow and maybe you’ll bump into them again sometime and they’ll ask you another question. Maybe you’ll sit down somewhere at some point in a bar, in a restaurant or in a home, and you’ll talk more in depth.

But I’d say that really we’re kind of like Johnny Appleseed. We’re just throwing little seeds here and there, and we know that—like it says in the Bible—some of the seeds will fall on thorny or stony ground, some of the birds will get to them, and the briars and the thickets and all that, but some will fall on fertile ground. So, in that regard, I think that we just do what we can there.

I think sometimes too much emphasis is placed on words. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, and I think that how we are, how we be, and how we relate to people interactions with them, says a whole lot more. We can relate in a way that is giving and loving on the spiritual, mental, intellectual, and numeral level, as well as broadcast some love and light around you and keep open to ways that you can help out. In a grocery store, maybe somebody, a shopper, is having trouble getting his or her cart unstuck from the line of carts so that they can go shopping. That is a great opportunity to help them out.

There are little things that come up all the time when you can just do a small thing to help somebody out, and it means a lot. We are all aware of how this world is in high gear, especially this time of year. People are moving fast and they got work to do. They got a list to check things off of, and if they can see that you have taken time out of your day just to do a little something for them, it really touches the heart. So, I would say try to emphasize your being and how you share with others, and then cast your seeds about.

Gary, how about you?

Well, as the host, I nominate Austin with the next reply. Thank you, Jim.

Yeah, thank you for that. I think we have similar interpretations of the question, but I thought that he was asking a bit more about sharing spiritual thoughts specifically. Not necessarily like going out and serving, but being transparent in our spirituality with others—specifically the Law of One, I guess for a Law of One seeker. But the answer would be very similar for both.

I do have an experience to share in that regard. But first, I think that we have to consider when talking about this—the three of us specifically—is that most Wanderers and seekers of the Law of One don’t have a community or anybody in their life to share their spiritual thoughts with. I understand that that can be a very lonely feeling and a very lonely path.

There was a point in time before I was involved with L/L Research that I had an intense resonance with the Law of One and I had nobody to share that with. And I remember this profound loneliness that went along with that. I did try to share it with a few people and at least some of them were willing to listen. But it was clear that there was no one in my life that was going to be on the same spiritual page as I was. So, this loneliness that I felt at that point in time was a big general life theme for me, and it was a very intense catalyst. And it wasn’t necessarily all surrounding my spiritual path, but a lot of it was. But luckily, on my spiritual path being the Law of One, one of the biggest things I gained from the Law of One was this perspective and ability to view such emotions and experiences—like intense loneliness—as catalyst for spiritual growth.

The feeling of loneliness was so pervasive in my life that it was almost impossible not to meditate on it. If I was sitting down to contemplate or meditate, that was what was there to work with. I would take that into meditation and allow myself to feel that loneliness as deeply as I could. I didn’t make much progress in utilizing this as catalyst until I got a message one day about relating loneliness to strength, and the ability to stand on one’s own without leaning on others for support. In this context, walking a path that is already innately a solitary path. I think the spiritual path is a very personal one. It involved walking that path without needing validation from others. Strength came from that loneliness, and loneliness became that strength. After receiving this message, the loneliness that I felt began to transform.

I would say that in thinking about the opposite of loneliness and trying to balance it, one might think that feelings of companionship or having company would be the opposite of loneliness. But I think that the opposite is actually a different approach to being alone. Instead of feeling loneliness while you’re alone, the opposite is to find joy and company in one’s own mind and to relish in the ability and the opportunity to exist, think, feel, and be independent from any other person. And that being the opposite, I think there’s obviously a balance in there somewhere. That balance, I think, is what Major Third might be referring to, or at least that’s what I interpreted that as.

So, bringing that around to the heart of his question, I think that the experience of loneliness that I described has helped inform how I relate to others in my spirituality to this day, on a day-to-day basis with people who aren’t necessarily part of my spiritual life. Outside of L/L Research, my social circle is surprisingly non-spiritual. My partner and most of my friends are either atheist or agnostic, and most of them place very little value on the concept of spirituality in general. I do have friends who are spiritual, but I rarely have an opportunity to share openly with them about my spiritual thoughts.

But one thing I learned through that loneliness was that the spiritual connection does not necessarily rely on the specifics of your own spirituality or even concepts that we would consider spiritual at all. I think that the balance that I have found is somewhere within this idea that spirituality doesn’t have to look like spirituality.

The concepts and the structure of the Law of One and our spiritual beliefs help us to make a deep connection to the universe and to the Creator, but those things are necessarily a very intensely personal thing for me at least. And really, I don’t think that they should need validation or acceptance from others, and I don’t think I should need others to know about my spirituality in the specific way of what I believe. And I think this is touching a bit on what Jim was talking about where the spirituality allows us to be, instead of to actively seek out opportunities to share it. It just comes through in our innate being.

So, I think that if there are aspects of our spirituality that are looking for social validation, I think that’s a great opportunity for contemplating what exactly those spiritual aspects truly mean to us. What I have found is that my spirituality deepens my appreciation for a wide range of human experience, and I am able to view other selves and their interests, their beliefs and attachments and their lives from a spiritual perspective, no matter what they contain. I find that I can more easily relate to others. And thanks to my spiritual beliefs, but not necessarily through my spiritual beliefs, I’m able to form a deeper connection with people.

Approaching it like that allows me to insert my spirituality into conversations and interactions without the need to address it directly. I think it’s easier to do this with some topics and conversation than others, but there aren’t really any limits. We had an episode a while ago talking about sports where I described how I relate spiritually to my friends who are very invested in college and professional sports, in which I basically have no interest in innately.

Before wrapping up, I want to acknowledge that given everything I just said, I don’t think it’s fair for me to tell somebody that their desire to connect with others or to share their spirituality or their spiritual beliefs is not a genuine and good desire. I think that while it’s great catalyst for growth, I don’t wish anyone would have to experience the loneliness that comes with being unable to share that spirituality with others.

The joy in sharing and spiritual seeking with others is truly meaningful and healing. And I feel very blessed that I have people that I can talk to about these things. It truly saddens me that so many Wanderers and seekers are so alone on this journey. So, the perspective that I share and want to emphasize, isn’t that this is a replacement for that kind of connection, but hopefully a way to relate to that loneliness that helps it serve us in some way, and not necessarily be such a burden as I felt it once was. But I do understand the desire to reach out and connect.

So those are my thoughts. How about you, Gary?

Thank you for your thoughts, both of you. And Austin, your reply deepened what will be mine. And especially as you related your own experience of loneliness. And it seems that that loneliness was coincided more or less with the onset of your own spiritual seeking?

Yeah, basically.

Likewise, for me, as I began to ask questions and enter into a mind space, it was more philosophically oriented. I found myself drifting from a whole system of familiar references, including friends and family, and the whole world. I just found myself being separated, much to my own dismay, and it had nothing to do with what a friend or family member did to me or nothing that I did to them. I just became more and more secluded. I could pick up the phone and call anybody or make plans, but there was this conceptual barrier. There was just something that made it impossible for me to connect. And it was a lot of pain.

And unlike Austin, I didn’t have the insight that’s available within the Law of One about the nature of catalyst—that this experience is catalyst, and I can use it because it is fuel for my spiritual growth. I just suffered. That period lasted some years and there was a lot of darkness and, I would say, agony on a mental/emotional level. And the need for me was intimate relationship. I moved here to Louisville, and I connected with Jim and Carla and others who were here at the time, and that did help. But most powerfully it was having a girlfriend. That sort of relationship at least, seemed to keep that pain at bay. And then afterwards, I got married to somebody different who is my wife now and speaks to that need greatly.

But still, my life is a very full one with many of the same friends that Jim and Austin have. We have a community of people connected to this work. And nevertheless, I still get into mind states sometimes of lack and a sense of deprivation, as well as having what Austin was addressing—that desire to connect, to commune spiritually with others, with the community, or with a group. I suspect, I don’t know, but I have a working theory, that a lot of that is rooted in being a Wanderer.

As a wanderer, you can imagine that your soul has spent millions, hundreds of millions of years in a space where you were aware of the thoughts of your friends and loved ones. In fact, everybody you knew on the planet was your loved one. Everybody was your friend. Imagine having that level of intimacy and belonging and the purpose. And then to come here, where it’s kind of fend for yourself, everybody on their own. You may have a few friends and family, but that level of communion is, I would say, 99% absent. I’m sure it’s definitely possible in some cases here on this planet. But that variance probably creates a lot of pain and a lot of desire to reach out and connect. And what’s a more fundamental level to connect than through one’s spirit, one’s spirituality, and one’s heart?

And I make a caveat here that it doesn’t take a while to feel that level of isolation and pain because it’s the structure of our society and it’s native to every sentient being—except those who do choose service-to-self—to want to bond and connect with others. In fact, Ra says that the path to the Creator involves merging with self and others. So, it is a symptom profile that could fit anybody with an open heart, really, on this planet.

Regarding sharing this information, specifically, there are some pitfalls inherent in this body of work because it’s so far outside the box. As much as I recognize the elegance, the depth, profundity, and power of its core message of unity—and as much as my own studies tell me how congruent that core message is with the perennial philosophy on this planet that has been spoken and shared by Mystics in all sorts of traditions and times and places—the whole package of the Law of One is nevertheless, literally outside of the conceptual framework of reality for most people on this planet. Therefore, it is liable to not be received, not be desired, and not be understood. And yet, it so animates and motivates your life and fills you with inspiration and drive and purpose. What greater thing could you share than this? Especially if it did this for you, couldn’t it help other people?

A lot of people do have a strong desire to share the Law of One, especially at the beginning when they first discover it and feel the lightning and the fire of it. But then there’s reality. I know the desire to share. I have navigated this as has Austin, and I want to come back around to Jim and Carla because they’ve had a unique take on doing it to some extent. A lot of people have navigated these questions: How do I share this? Can I share this? Should I share this? And I think Jim and Austin, Jim especially, touched on how you can only serve to the extent that is requested. What constitutes a request is also a question. I think Jim also said that you serve best in how we are and how we be. And that’s the message of the Confederation, too.

Our vibrations are our greatest sharing. If we never spoke a word again for the rest of our lives and never said anything about the Law of One, that effortless and energetic radiation coming off of us—whether the person perceives it or not—touches people the most and helps the planet the most. So, I think that is very important to keep in perspective when you’re trying to tackle the question should I share this information or not? Because it is not nearly as critical as the question of who you are. The strength of your own light is a function of the fearlessness in your being and the depth of your open heart and the strength of your desire to serve, and so on.

I want to go back to sharing this information and my own personal experience with this, which I want to explore with Jim and Austin. Again, I’ve wanted to share, but one has to tread very carefully. So, I tend to be very sensitive to the interest of others and to body cues or tone or subtle signs coming from the other person. In one regard, it can become a handicap to me because I am so sensitive to and dependent upon the receiving and even approval of others, that I close up and I don’t want to share because there is an apprehension or fear of rejection. And it makes me deeply, to this day, deeply fearful—I squirm in my skin sometimes to think of sharing what is so personal and intimate to me—of not being received well on the other end or being rejected. And so, I think part of that is a distortion or a blockage in me that causes a fear of being truly who I am.

But on the other, there is a positive value to that in that I admire people who are who they are and speak what they want to speak regardless of what others think. I think that is just amazing because it’s so not native to me. But at the same time, people who get into that mode also may not be sensitive to what others want to hear. So, I think there’s a wisdom in exercising and trying to determine whether there is interest or capacity to receive what you have to say on the other end.

Let me stop my train for a moment and explore with you guys. Jim, what has been your personal experience when it comes, specifically, to determining whether or not to tell another human being who is not aware of the Law of One, about the Law of One?

There has to be some kind of a question, some kind of a situation that arises between me and another person that would be appropriate to follow with some information about the Law of One or my spiritual journey in general. It’s not something you just pop out with as you’re just talking informally with your neighbor or, say, at the grocery store. There has to be something going on between the two of you that has a deeper resonance to it so that you can follow that resonance with what feels right to you.

I think for Carla and me, throughout all the years we were together beginning at the end of 1980, this whole process became much easier because we always had a meditation group every week on a Sunday, and then during the week we usually had a teaching channeling session with somebody, so we were always in the role of a teacher or somebody who was there to share. It was what we did. So, it became more natural.

I really had to kind of rein myself in on many occasions when I was with other people because it was just so easy to get off onto a train of thought that would lead along the spiritual path. So, that hasn’t been so difficult over the years. But I have found that it is really necessary to have something in common between me and the other person that is of a spiritual nature before anything like that can be shared with another person.

There’s a quote from session #17.0 where I think Ra says it really well by saying:

“the best way of service to others is the constant attempt to seek to share the love of the Creator as it is known to the inner self. This involves self-knowledge and the ability to open the self to the other-self without hesitation. This involves, shall we say, radiating that which is the essence or the heart of the mind/body/spirit complex.”

In order for that to really happen, you’ve got to be in a conversation. It’s pretty much dedicated to spiritual principles. If I’m talking to somebody with whom I really haven’t reached that level yet, maybe I’ll just throw out a little breadcrumb or something about “what goes around, comes around,” or “you reap what you sow,” or something of that nature calling upon a well-known saying. And then if there’s any kind of response, I will go with it a little bit. But for the most part, I think that a radiation of our being is really what we have to offer to most people that we have contact with. If we have a more intense or longer contact, then there’s probably going to be a chance where something could come up of a spiritual nature. And then, of course, you can just go as deeply as both people are willing to go.

When I was with TD Lingo and Laughing Coyote Mountain in the early 70s, the late-night talks around the campfire went as deep as you would ever want to go. That’s the ideal—you’re on a special mission or it’s a special occasion. For instance, say you have a special situation with a person and you’re there for a while so both of you share and really get going and trade. Trading, I believe, is really an important thing, too. We’re not always just going to be the teacher. We have to be teach/learners, too. You have to be able to listen, because if a person is listening to you and what you have to say, then you owe them the courtesy of doing the same for them because they’ll have questions. They’ll have their own experiences to share and have their own takes on what you said or maybe something original of their own experience. So, I think we need to be able to give and take. There’s got to be a conversation together.

Well said. Thank you, Jim. Austin, what’s your experience in navigating the question of whether or not to share some aspect of the Law of One with somebody that’s unfamiliar with the Law of One?

My general rule is to not do it. It’s really difficult. As I said, most people in my life—specifically my life—are very non-spiritual and beyond that, they fall along the lines of what I would call scientism, which is a sort of fundamental attachment to science and not science necessarily. The gospel of the scientific community is basically how the scientific community interprets science. And that means that any subject involved in the Law of One ranging from the spiritual aspects of it to the more paranormal UFO aspects of it—that entire range of topics—would be just foolish nonsense to a lot of them.

Part of me is very terrified of actually sharing an aspect of what I do. Normally, I talk about meditation if I get asked specifically about what I do, and I guess luckily or unluckily, most people’s eyes glaze over with just the mention of that and continue on with other topics. So, whether or not to share something specific about the Law of One would really have to do with how comfortable I was with them.

But circling back to my original response, I gave what I feel to be an enlightened approach to the loneliness we feel to sharing. I would like to add the caveat that I do have an intense desire to share the Law of One and what I do as my profession working for L/L Research with others. I think that this social connection of career and passion are ways that we connect with people on a social yellow-ray level and I think that connection is very important. So, while I think there is wisdom in being comfortable in not sharing these aspects of yourself, I also think that there’s something very admirable about—like you were talking about, Gary—sharing freely without consideration for what others will think of you. I tend more towards being closed off and not being able to share proactively.

One time I can think of when I actually shared a specific aspect about the Law of One with another person was probably soon after I discovered it. I shared it with my roommates because I felt more comfortable sharing with them. But as far as just my social circle goes and people whom I meet who ask about what I do, I find it difficult to cross that barrier with them because my mind can’t get over the worst-case scenario of them just disowning me because I am a huge weirdo who believes in talking to aliens through telepathy. That’s the way that I feel like most people would frame it.

So, I think in my personal experience, if that’s what you’re asking about, I tend towards just not sharing it even though I really wish that I could find a way to do it. I’ve tried crossing that barrier in the past, but the situations that come my way just do not lend themselves to being able to do that.

Yeah. Like Austin and I have discussed on our own outside of the podcast on more than one occasion, I just have this inborn fear of that sort of rejection. It feels like this sort of system-wide shame to share and to be exposed and to not be accepted. And it’s as real as a wall inside of me. It’s difficult to leap over, as it were. This is why I think that what Austin started out saying—that his rule of thumb is he doesn’t share—is pretty much my rule of thumb, too. And as Jim was saying, I have connected with people and been able to be of greater service, I think, on a stronger level without ever talking about the Law of One per se, but about discussing their processes and their life and finding ways to shine my own light into that.

So, I think words tend to be just the vehicle of the energy exchange itself, which is more fundamental. Words are secondary. This is not to discount words because they pack a perspective, insight, information, illumination, and serve a purpose, of course.

I also like that Jim used the word, “trading.” I have been most fulfilled in sharing and in communing and connecting with somebody when there’s a trade of energy or an exchange that fulfills me. And I feel you can feel that at times when you connect with somebody on a level where you’re both really vibing. You intentionally ride that wave and there’s a sort of lightning there because it’s an exchange: here are my thoughts about things, here are my thoughts about things. And I think that’s really where it’s at in terms of sharing.

And one quick anecdote about an attempt I made in folly to share that has informed me since. I believe I may have mentioned this on the podcast some time ago, but early on in my path, actually, I’m on my way to move to Louisville. My then friends from an old world, we had a little party and a fire and my best friend at the time, he and I were laying on the ground. It’s summertime and we’re in the grass and lying on our backs next to each other. And I get the impulse to tell him all about Wanderers and my discovery of the Law of One and what it means to me and so forth. And somebody took a picture of us laying there on the ground and my then friend’s face looks like I had just told him that I am the devil incarnate. It’s just incomprehension on his face and a sort of aversion. You can see it in his eyes because I had imposed that on him. He wasn’t ready to hear that. He didn’t want to hear it, really. It was too far outside his box. And I did not maintain the baby step for Don’s wisdom, which isn’t to say that’s how all encounters go, but it’s a personal one in my own life.

I had one other quick thing I wanted to discuss, which is the notion of Wanderer-in-disguise. Did you two have anything you wanted to add to that particular thread?

Not for me.

No, I don’t believe so.

All right. I wanted to offer some thoughts about this notion from Major Third, which I believe your name probably comes from the major cycle of third density.

It’s a musical term.

Oh okay, yeah, that was my second guess. Major Third said, “What are the pros/cons of being a Wanderer in disguise, so to speak?” So, I take that question to mean that he or she is asking if one should openly declare that they are a Wanderer or say that they are a Wanderer, and so forth. From my perspective, I think making an identity of being a Wanderer will probably interfere with your message being heard or your service being offered. Saying you’re a Wanderer to somebody else really adds no substance to what you have to share. It doesn’t make your message more insightful, effective, or necessarily even oriented towards the other person.

Moreover, as I have known, it may even provoke hostility or rejection. I make the statement that I wholeheartedly believe that there are Wanderers on planet Earth, and I even believe that it’s likely that my own soul is part of that demographic. But that said, even I wouldn’t listen to somebody more closely because they said they are a Wanderer. Knowing that you are a Wanderer and exploring that and sharing that can, and does, have value. I don’t mean to negate it into nothing because it’s part of who you are. And you need to come to terms with that, if that is part of who you are, I should say.

But it needn’t be worn on the sleeve. Otherwise, there is great risk of seeking special status for the self, or at least giving that impression to others. That closes my own thoughts to Major Third’s great questions.

Austin or Jim, do you all have anything more to offer?

My only thing to offer on your last comment would be, I would heartily support what you said. I would also say that for myself, I would prefer not to discuss being a Wanderer with people because it’s too easy to try to think you’re more than somebody else or better or like you said, Spiritual Sergeant Stripes. It’s a sacred type of being, and it is a part of your own journey that you need to keep silent and sacred so that it never becomes an object of ridicule.

Well spoken.

I would add to Jim’s reply that at first I heard Jim say, “I hardly support what you said.”


Yeah, I wanted to clarify. I figured that out after a few seconds. I want to just heartily add a support for Gary’s reply, and then add a couple situations where it could be proper to share your Wanderer identity. I think this goes along with what Jim was talking about earlier in a deep sharing. I think the campfire image is a great one where you are up late at night talking with somebody about your deepest feelings. If you are both opening yourself up in a vulnerable way and sharing this identity as an act of vulnerability, then I think that could hopefully be healing for you if you have somebody who will genuinely listen to you.

Another appropriate situation is if you have a deep connection with somebody that you feel might be a Wanderer and you have an established trust in a friendship. I don’t think that you should go around to your acquaintances who might seem a little weird and be like, “you’re an alien.” But if you have somebody that you are close with and are sharing how you feel with, then might help spark that person’s own internal journey of being a Wanderer.

And then just a small comment about this theme. I’ve talked a little bit, I think, on the podcast about spiritual bypassing and how the Wanderer identity could be a form of spiritual bypassing, meaning that it could be a way of avoiding some very essential spiritual processes that are central to our journey as human beings. Because despite where our souls come from, we are here on Earth as human beings, living a human experience, and to overly identify with the other alien, non-human portion might be a way to avoid dealing with aspects that we are actually here to deal with as an act of service.

Yeah, right on. And a brief follow-up to the second of your two categories when you identified where it might be helpful to talk about being a Wanderer, and that is to somebody else who is a Wanderer. You could encounter a situation where somebody has had that sense their whole life, and it may have even caused some difficulty that has happened in many cases. They might not know how to process it, or don’t know how to relate to it, or they haven’t had the clarity of knowing about the role and function of the Wanderer in the universe. If you come upon such a person and see that you can offer this to them and it would be of enormous value, then it might be a good opportunity to help clarify this and bring peace to their troubled hearts.

So, I think we chewed over Major Third’s question really well. You guys all replied out?

Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, running on empty.

All right. Well, that’s it for me, too.

Jim, do you have anything to offer the listeners?

Yeah, we thank you all for your questions. We thank you for listening to what we have to say. You can kind of look at this podcast as our late-night campfire. We share the heart of our own journey with you because we love you all so very much. We thank you for being with us. Take care. We’ll see you again in a couple of weeks.

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