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Gary and Austin, are you guys ready to go?

I am indeed.

And so am I.

Okay. Our question today comes from Corey via email. He says:

“I currently work in human services with mentally-ill individuals, and I and my coworkers are of course, there with the intention of serving and bettering the lives of those we work with.

On some days we might be in a poor mood for any number of reasons, either related to the job or not, and on other days things go great. I know that for me I make an effort in the direction of prayer, meditation, and tuning so that I can be the best me for whatever the day has to offer. In the event that that still doesn’t seem to do too much for me, I can see evidence that I’m not connecting with others or working nearly as harmoniously as in past situations where things just flow well.

In this flesh and blood illusion, my lower vibration in those moments, so to speak, has a noticeably blunted impact on the quality of my day and that of others. What I’m wondering is, whether it looks that way behind the scenes? While of course we don’t get to see and know the metaphysical implications of things, as is the point of third density, I’ve been wondering what your thoughts or what those of Quo’s might have to say about our attitudes and well-being, and how that can affect the service we attempt to bring forth into our daily experience.

So often those channels mentioned the value and importance of intention, which often leaves me satisfied with whatever effort I’m able to make. But of course, you can never really know. I think back to examples of service and sacrifice where there is clearly great service being performed in the face of outrageous difficulty and loss, such as the classic jump on the hand grenade to polarize example. Situations such as this often make me wonder what kind of an impact or value that might be to situations that on the surface seem to be going south.“

Austin, have you got any ideas about his question?

Yeah, I’ve got some initial thoughts to share. One thing that I think really stands out to me in Corey’s question is this difference between a smaller and a larger perspective. I think that third density tends to attempt to draw our attention into this smaller perspective, but it seems like a big lesson in third density is to learn to balance between a larger and a smaller perspective.

For instance, Corey talks about being in a poor mood some days and a great mood other days. How he’s feeling on any given day, I think, is the smaller perspective. His question about how things look behind the scenes and the intention behind his actions, I think, is a consideration of that larger perspective—one that shows a deeper and broader scope of how our actions fit into the universe.

So, I’m not very sure myself about what that balance looks like, but I think that contemplating this balance as Corey is doing is an indication of being on the path. It’s the purpose of being in third density, as Corey hints at. I think the balance is that the smaller perspective is important. The feelings and emotions of our individual selves are essential to the fruits of our beingness, and they’re the primary purpose of our incarnation and for the experience that we are gathering for the Creator. So, paying attention to these feelings and contemplating and balancing them helps us to make that journey back to the Creator as we are intended, you could say.

The larger perspective is important because I think it enables us to see the essential value of that smaller perspective without the larger perspective of a metaphysical scene behind our actions and a purpose that is much larger than how we feel on the day-to-day basis. That perspective gives the smaller perspective a purpose. Without it, the smaller perspective just looks kind of transient and unimportant, and it’s more like some sort of thing we are subjected to rather than something we’re doing for a purpose. So, I think that the larger perspective helps to balance that smaller perspective and give it some real purpose.

Essentially, I think it’s real easy to act good when we feel good, and I think it’s real easy to act nasty when we feel bad. So, I think acting good despite how we feel, thanks to the larger perspective we might have, is an indication of making the conscious choice that we’re here to make in third density, which I do think is probably a metaphysically powerful act.

But I agree with Corey. I think it would be cool to get Quo’s perspective on the real metaphysics behind it, but that’s what I think.

That’s really good, Austin. Gary, how about you? What have you got to say about that?

I can really relate to this question because so often I feel like the service that I would like to offer is precluded due to an inner unhappiness or discontent or fatigue or just some kind of static on the line. So, many days—and my own consideration of this question—I’ve got a little bit of that dichotomy that Austin is drawing between larger and smaller perspective, but through the vehicle of an analogy.

I think that the development of the soul during the course of an incarnation, especially over the course of many incarnations, is a sort of geological process, you might say. Each of us is a landscape, and the longer and the more focused and the more purely the intention is sustained towards spiritual evolution and service, the more that your particular landscape is beautified.

You will develop mountains and valleys, rivers, lakes, wetlands, and deserts until eventually your inner landscape includes everything, including the ocean deeps as well. And through long-term geological processes, landscapes slowly change over time, but they are enduring. They are long term portions of who you are. They represent and encode or embody your self-work and your service over long spans of time.

Now, a bad mood on any given day might be likened unto the weather. Perhaps you wake up on a particular day with gray skies, or perhaps some event transpires that causes thunderstorms and lightning. And in such cases, yes, the sun has been obscured for the moment and the landscape doesn’t feel as bright or perhaps not even welcoming, which will probably have an effect upon the onlooker and those you wish to serve. But you’re still bringing this place of beauty to them that represents your work and who you are over a long span of time. You still are who you are. If the arc or trajectory of your work has been to open your heart and practice forgiveness and accept others, et cetera, then even on a stormy day you bring a glorious landscape that reflects the qualities of the Creator—however momentarily muted they may seem.

I have a few quotes to share, but I’ll share those near to the end or another round. Back to you, Jim.

Okay, that’s a good one too, Gary. I would like to congratulate Corey for being very conscientious in his job. I would like to think that more people would enter into their work with whatever work they do—but especially with mentally ill individuals who need some special care—with prayer, meditation, and tuning. I think that’s just wonderful.

And even on some of those days when you do that, as he says, you’re probably not going to be at your best for some reason or other. There is a kind of ebb and flow of our inner resources and our weather, you might say. Gary has a landscape, but I think I’ll go with weather. You don’t always have your best foot forward. But I think that is something that we can all learn from, too. I mean, that’s what we’re here to do—to make the best of what we’re doing with the best of intentions. I believe he is very correct with the intentions being the most important part of the process because we can’t know what we’re doing is correct or incorrect. We can only intend to do the best we can.

Sometimes you may find that even after with those intentions and the preparation through the prayer, meditation and contemplation, that things are not quite going well. I’m sure he’s also done this, and he’s obviously analyzed the situation where we wouldn’t have this nice long question here with all these thoughtful comments. What you can do is to look at the situation and realize, well, this is third density. This is the stuff of third density. Ask yourself, “So how do I do a little bit better where I seem to fall in short today?” Then, you can make some adjustments to your plan. Go through your process of prayer, meditation, and contemplation again and you give it another go.

I think it’s a good idea to give yourself a break and to look at yourself kindly. This is especially true when you make mistakes because you’re doing the best you can. That’s very obvious to me here and you need to give yourself credit for that. Know that you have mostly done well on all the days you’ve been there. Try to see where the strength was on those days where you did well, and see if you can apply it to the days you didn’t do so well. Analyze the situation, as you’re so good at doing, and try to balance the places that were a little low or inefficient, and go back and give it another try.

But I say above all, just stick with the plan that you’ve got because I think you’ve got a good thing going here. I fully support you.

Austin, any secondary comments?

I would like to offer the term topography for Gary’s analogy. I think that might have been what you were searching for, Gary.


You also referenced tectonic geology. So, you were still correct. But topography, I think, is a good word. You get the mountain tops and the ocean valleys.

Yeah. It’s in the ballpark.

Yeah, I don’t know if I have any further comments. I was going to say something about the biorhythms in the adept cycle that Ra refers to and how just being in these third density bodies is sort of like a weather, but is more of a predictable weather. There are some biorhythm calculators online that might be something Corey could look into. We have one on and one that also charts that adept cycle, which is for spiritual work and spiritual energies.

So if Corey is wondering why some days just seem bad, that might be one reason. You could always check out your biorhythms and see which ones are at their bottom and which ones are at their top. On the days when you feel great, maybe they’re all at the top. Or even go further and try to track these moods yourself and see if there’s a pattern that you can discern so you can get more accurate biorhythms for you specifically.

But other than that, I think you guys both had really great answers. Do you have any other thoughts, Gary?

Yeah, I think it’s unrealistic to expect that we’re going to bring our A game to the table every day. Everybody has these ebbs and flows. People will often react to your surface personality, whatever your disposition may be, or the demeanor you’re wearing on your face, and so forth. But you’re always still bringing to the table—to go back to that analogy—this topographical foundation that represents all of your work, as well as represents your essence. That is always there. It’s never not there.

And that idea links in my head to what Ra, and the Confederation in general, describes is your most important and profound and powerful service, which is the radiation of, as Ra says, the realization of oneness with the Creator. Just the radiation of who you are is the service and you can’t get in the way of that so much. Certainly, a gray sky can mute or dim the landscape. But, you’re always radiating who you are to the mentally-ill or whomever you wish to serve. They are beings on one level receiving the radiation of your being.

The many years and countless times that you intended or hoped to be of service, and the fundamental and energetic orientation of your being arrives with you in every moment—even if you feel like poop that day or you’re on edge, or you just can’t work up a smile for anybody else. Ideally, yes, we want to manifest that beingness in joy and cheerfulness and attentiveness to other people, but we don’t always have that. And like Jim was indicating, that’s highlighting where there is work for you to do, too. So, there’s value in it as well.

I’m sorry, 10-4. Over and out.

I just had one more thought. Ra recommended a couple of times that if we really want to be of the most service as possible for another entity, we need to put ourselves in that entity’s position and try to become the other entity so that we can see what it is they really need.

Now, I’m not so sure how that would apply in this particular situation because the Health and Human Services may have certain protocols prescribing what you can and cannot do. But in general, before you go to see the patient—if it’s possible—try to think of the situation that they’re in. Think about what their condition is mentally, physically, financially, family wise, and so forth. Try to imagine yourself in that position, in that very room, in the bed or chair that they occupy, and try to figure out what you would like to have somebody do if they were walking through the door in your position and had the ability and the desire to be of service to you. What is it that you think they would want you to do?

Maybe you could also elevate it a bit and become that entity’s higher self or the soul level of that entity. Doing so may help you to see what the situation they’re in now might have to offer them and where it is a starting point or an intermediary point or an ending point. Try in some way to identify more with the patient at some point. This might be something like when new patients are brought into any facility. I know they do background analysis, write up their charts, and they take note of all their information about their histories, and so forth. This might be something that you could do one time with each patient. And have a little reminder as you go in there to see if there’s any little thing that you could do that might be helpful that perhaps you would not have done if you didn’t put yourself in their position.

Any final thoughts from anybody?

I like the direction that you’re going and a practical thing we can do to help cope with these shifting moods.

I was going to say something about how helpful I have personally found a habit of mindfulness to be in that it’s so much easier to pull back to this larger perspective and pull away from a bad mood when you create a habit of it. Especially when you are feeling good and it’s easier to guide your thoughts and direct your attention. Just choose little things throughout the day to attach to mindfulness. Say every time you walk under a doorway you make a habit of coming in and paying attention to your breath and seeing if you’re holding any tension in your jaw; and if you’re relaxing your shoulders and paying attention to what thoughts might be going through your mind.

Often there are just so many thoughts racing through our mind that we’re not really paying attention to them. We’re just sort of riding this roller coaster of charged thoughts and task lists and things to do and things to say to people and things we want to say to people. So, try to attach habits to certain things, or to get into a habit where it just pops up into your mind naturally, which is what I’ve managed to do somehow—find a way to become mindful just at constant moments throughout the day. About once an hour I will realize that I’m holding this tension in my jaw and I relax it.

I’ve found this cumulative effect of building that habit of paying attention to my thoughts more and more and labeling and treating them gently. And if they are in the way, I set them aside and come back to them later. So, just pay attention to your body. See how you’re holding yourself. See if you’re holding tension and just clear your mind and pay attention to your breath for just a few moments.

This becomes more of a standard state where you can recognize that you’re in a bad mood, and you can recognize that things might not be going the greatest that day, but it’s easier to not let that affect how you perform throughout the day. It becomes an experience that you can pay attention to later when you have the time and the energy to address it, such as when you aren’t in the middle of performing the service throughout your day.

Okay, Gary, last thought.

Yeah, I want to read a few quotes. Qu’o says in a channeling from May 3, 1998:

“And the greatest sharing that each seeker can make with others is to travel his or her journey with a full heart, with a live compassion, and with a sincere desire to know that what you call the truth. The radiance that comes from within for each seeker, so traveling is as a beacon, a light to others that when they wish to inquire as to the nature of your journey, it is most appropriate to share with them that which you have found.”

Quote two from June 2, 1985:

“Then take upon yourself the cloak of the shepherd. Take up your crook and do not count the cost of giving nor abridge any outcome but within yourself. Refine your intentions until they are true. Refine and own your perceptions until they do not fail you, and when you offer them, give them away. Support, love, and set those about you free. With that surrender, you have again entered the Logos, the one original thought. We wish you well upon your journey. Each of you is of service when you know it, and when you do not know it. It does not bear analysis after the fact. Work upon your own powers of discrimination and perception, empathy and sympathy and compassion, and most of all, surrender, so that which is the most positive may shine through regardless of how it is seen by the one whom you wish to serve.”

And finally, quote number three from March 25, 1990:

“Know that your basic and most important help is in your beingness itself and the joy that you take and the zest, the leaping for joy that you experience as you experience who you truly are. Be not cast down, be merry. For to be merry in the little things and the big things of mundane existence is to express the nature of love. There is nothing ponderous about love, ponderous defined as dull laborious or excessively solemn. It is spontaneous and full of light. And you need do nothing to those who do not wish to speak with you, but only be who you are with rigorous honesty, admitting to yourself each time that you jangle and are out of tune, moving then from service to others to the preparing of the self, until once again love and respect that self, finding that self-worthy of being a vessel for the infinite light and love of the one Creator.”

All right, good job.

Well, it looks like we’ve got time to go into the second question, if you guys are game.

No, not me.

Well, Brett said this via email:

“The primary purpose of forgetting would be the heavy acceleration native six density catalyst. Correct? Therefore, the means to achieve this would be by necessity entail finding a planet where a calling is heard. Logically, since the Wanderer has equal compassion and wisdom, one can say it wouldn’t make sense to undergo this kind of planetary service.”

So, why don’t we start with the first premise and see what you think about that, Gary.

Could you paraphrase the first premise for me?

Well, he says the primary purpose of forgetting would be the heavy acceleration native six density catalyst. Now, for some reason, he seems to think that because you’re a six density Wanderer, that you would have different catalysts. And he seems to be saying throughout his question that the purpose for coming into incarnation is to work with your catalyst on a planet where a calling is heard and this catalyst could be offered.

The purpose of the forgetting is not designed for the Wanderer. Rather, the Wanderer must undergo this forgetting that is unique and intentional for third density. If I were to attempt a reply, I would fall back to Ra poker analogy.

Let me take a step back. Without the forgetting, the entity would know always that all things are one, that there is total security, and that there is nothing that is ever threatening. Ra says of that condition that there is no pain too terrible or love too great to motivate people. So, you’re in a state of constant contentment and all is well.

Ra said that was actually the case at the beginning of this octave—that there was no forgetting. Third density entities were aware constantly. But in that state, they weren’t doing their homework, and they weren’t learning the vibrational lessons of their density and graduating on to fourth. So, the Logoi instituted did an experiment called the veil, which would separate the conscious from the subconscious and facilitate a forgetting. In that experiment, they didn’t know what the outcome was or what the experience would be, but they implemented this veil and said, let’s see what happens. Basically, let’s roll the dice. Maybe it wasn’t as haphazard as that. I’m sure they put some forethought into it.

Then the third density, as we knew it, was beginning to be born. One unanticipated outcome of that was polarity. Not only did entities forget, but they could consciously proceed along a path of evolution, of falsity, of omission, and of love. The polarity between the newly discovered service-to-self and service-to-other paths acted like a battery where the two polarities engendered each other, powered each other, motivated each other, and gave each other purpose and reason to want to excel and to grow.

I did not have this question in front of me so I was serious when I said I didn’t want to go into it. But since you’ve asked it, my reply is a sprawling overview of the veil. The essential value of the forgetting is for us to be born into third density and, by faith alone, find our way to the truth, which is—at least on the surface—hidden from us.

The veil, as a byproduct, does have a value to the Wanderer. Because the Wanderer is in a non-veiled condition, progress is very, very slow and tedious and harmonious for the service-to-others entity. The Wanderer then incarnates in this third density environment so that it can greatly accelerate their own progress because this is a much, much, much more intensive illusion than their native vibration, and they can kind of remake the choice all again and work on balances and stuff.

But, back to you, Jim.

Okay, good job. Austin, what do you think about his postulation here of why we’re here as a Wanderer?

First, I would like to say that we should make it more of a habit to ask questions that Gary is not ready for. His answer was sort of a prologue to an epic fantasy novel or something. I don’t know, like the way that you described the implementation of the veil was very narrative driven. It was really cool. I liked that a lot.

Luckily, I was somewhat prepared for this answer because I corresponded with Brett. So I have a couple of Ra quotes that I think will clarify his thought that the primary purpose of forgetting is for the acceleration of what he calls sixth-density catalyst.

I’ll share the quotes and pass it back.

Actually, I have some more thoughts, too. But, the first quote comes from session #36.17 where Ra says:

“The Wanderer has the potential of greatly accelerating the density once it comes in its progress and evolution.”

I think that is one of the things that Brett is referring to. They go on to say:

“This is due to the intensive life experiences and opportunities of the third density. Thusly, the positively oriented Wanderer chooses to hazard the danger of the forgetting in order to be of service to others by radiating love of others. If the forgetting is penetrated, the amount of catalyst in third density will polarize the Wanderer with much greater efficiency than shall be expected in the higher and more harmonious densities.”

So that quote might be what Brett was referring to.

But I would like to point out that Ra uses the words “they choose to hazard the danger of forgetting in order to be of service to others by radiating love of others.” They don’t say that they are incarnating in order to polarize. They say that the polarization is possible when they incarnate.

And then there’s one more that is really illuminating in this regard that comes from session #52.9. Don asked Ra:

“Well, I would just include the question as to why time of harvest is selected by so many Wanderers as time for incarnation.”

And Ra answered:

“I am Ra. There are several reasons for incarnation during harvest. They may be divided by terms of self and other self. The overriding reason for the offering of these Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow in incarnative states is the possibility of aiding other selves by the lightening of the planetary consciousness distortions and the probability of offering catalyst to other selves which will increase the harvest.”

So again, the overriding reason there is service-to-others and not for polarization of the self. Their intent is genuine to help others. This polarization is a byproduct.

They go on to say there are two other reasons for choosing the service which have to do with the self, which is what Brett was talking about.

“The Wanderer, if it remembers and dedicates itself to service, will polarize much more rapidly than is possible in the far more etiolated realms of higher-density catalyst. The final reason is within the mind/body/spirit totality or the social memory complex totality which may judge that an entity or members of a societal entity can make use of third-density catalyst to recapitulate a learning/teaching which is adjudged to be less than perfectly balanced. This especially applies to those entering into and proceeding through sixth density wherein the balance between compassion and wisdom is perfected.”

So, those two secondary reasons are what he was talking about, with the primary reason being that Wanderers incarnate with the intent to serve.

I think that’s a really important point because I think the intention behind actions is what gives the actions polarization. If you are serving somebody because you are worried about your own polarization and you want to essentially help yourself by helping somebody else, then I don’t think that that is a necessarily pure service-to-others action as it would be if you were helping somebody for the sake of helping somebody. I think that the polarization is a byproduct of that and not the goal. That’s what I have to say.

Very good, Austin. Well, I would just underline what you said. I think that anybody who feels that he or she might be a Wanderer needs to remember that the primary reason we are here is to be of service-to-others. Ra mentioned one point that being of service-to-others also results in service-to-self of necessity since we are all one and all other-selves are ourselves. When we are serving others, we are being served too. Now that’s in a general sense.

But what Austin was talking about regarding the last two things that Ra had to say about how we can actually have specific personal lessons that we can learn while we’re here is also true. I think that has to be kept in perspective with a larger reason why we’re here.

What do you say we move on to the second sentence: “Therefore the means to achieve this would by necessity entail finding a planet where a calling is heard.”

What would you think about that, Gary?

By necessity, it sounds like the second one extends the logic of the first, which I believe we didn’t quite agree with. It posits that the Wanderer is looking around for opportunities in the Galaxy and saying where can I continue to polarize? Where can I work on myself more? And, okay, that planet looks great. Is that what he’s saying?

That sounds to me like what he’s saying.

Yeah, I think, as we have discussed, it’s our understanding that that’s not the case. The Wanderer goes only to that place where there is a call for service. A particular Wanderer, or group of Wanderers, go to a place where they feel that they may respond to that particular call.

It’s interesting to consider what that mechanism might be regarding the reception of that call and the Wanderer hearing that call and saying, “Ah-ha! I have the skill set to meet this particular need.” Or, “I know somebody who does and I’ll get them on the line” or whatever.

Those are my thoughts.

Okay, good job. Austin, how about you? Anything to add to that?

Maybe really quickly. I don’t think Brett is completely off the mark. I think we disagree with his supposition regarding the intention of Wanderers. But I do think that you could say the Creator–in a larger sense than just an individual entity—uses this calling of service as a mechanism to get the entities to polarize. The Creator wants us to polarize. The polarization seems to me to be the primary way that the Creator experiences itself. Somehow and for some reason polarization is the whole goal of all of this incarnation.

So, the Creator probably put this mechanism in place to get us to polarize. But I don’t think that that’s the perspective that the individual necessarily takes. I think that’s sort of a premature perspective. I don’t like the word proper, but maybe the purer intention or the purer perspective is to intend to serve others. And then, because of that service, entities are able to polarize, and yeah, basically the same thing we just talked about.

Okay, very good job. I’m reminded of the regression that Carla did back in 73’ or so, along with Morris Hoagland and his sister Beth, and Carla’s best friend Sally. All that was being done for Secrets of the UFO, chapter eight on Wanderers.

Carla was recalling how she was on the home planet and the word had just been received basically by this group that their next assignment had been determined and that it was a planet called Terra or Earth, and that things were rather difficult there. Then they were given an overview of the situation to which Carla said, “Oh, this is going to be fun! Let’s go, let’s all go together and let’s help these folks.” So, that’s basically what happened.

But then after everyone got here and they did the regressions and they talked with each other, they kind of looked at Carla and said, “So is this fun yet?”

It’s getting a little more difficult as time goes on. But I think that from the perspective of being on a home planet for a Wanderer, it may look like the challenges that this planet provides would be fun or something that you would want to undertake. After all, Wanderers do want to be of service with all their hearts, minds, body, souls, and spirits. I mean, that’s why they’re there. That’s the way they learn. You don’t go to a school somewhere and learn how to be a better Wanderer. You go and help those who are not as far along as you are. So, this planet here is giving all of us a real chance to learn.

How about we move on to the last question, which is: “Logically, since the Wanderer has equal compassion and wisdom, one can say it wouldn’t make sense to undergo this kind of planetary service.”

Austin, you seem to have a better grasp on what he’s thinking about. What are you thinking about here?

Since the Wanderer has equal compassion and wisdom, one could say it wouldn’t make sense to undergo this kind of planetary service? I don’t think we can actually get into that because I don’t follow his logic necessarily—even based on his own suppositions.

I don’t know if that’s a logical conclusion, or if it would make sense. So, I wish I could offer something, but I might have to pass on that.

Okay. Gary, would you take a stab?

Brett, I could be wrong in interpreting your question, but the way I hear it is he elevates the Wanderer to a being who has achieved enlightenment or mastered all things and holds this perfect balance of love and wisdom.

I think that does not do justice to the journey of the soul in any density on any level because that journey has no finish line. The journey is always ongoing, and there is always room for development and for knowing the self deeper and for knowing the Creator more truly, and so on and so forth.

The Wanderer has their own work to do, and that work is of learning love in fourth density, learning wisdom in fifth density, and then balancing those two in 6th density. Ra indicated that most Wanderers are of 6th density, so they are in the thick of doing precisely that work of balancing love and wisdom. And as we discussed earlier, one of the tertiary reasons of coming to Earth is that it allows them a more intensive opportunity to do that balancing.

Presumably, most of them don’t arrive or incarnate having wisdom and love already perfectly balanced as though they have no further work to do and they’re just here to emanate their perfection. Rather, they’re here first and foremost to serve, as well as to work on themselves and on the balance so that when their mission is completed, they can return home having gained something, having learned something, and hopefully—ideally—brought greater balance between love and light or love and wisdom.

Ra describes themselves as naive regarding how they’ve interacted with humanity. I think that speaks to what you’re saying. They might not necessarily have had the balance of love and wisdom and that necessitated further interaction, which is probably part of a bigger grand scheme, I think.

Yeah, that’s a good point. Just by the interaction with us alone, even without sending Wanderers here, we have apparently given them an opportunity to balance love and wisdom.

Yeah, I think that there are probably very few Wanderers who actually do have a balance between love and wisdom, because even if you make it to the 6th density level, that’s what you’re doing there and it doesn’t mean that you’ve done it because you’re there.

I think the quality that Ra said was very important was you could either call it foolhardiness or bravery depending upon your point of view. It takes a good deal of stamina, courage, and will to come here and be willing to go through the forgetting and subject yourself to the conditions of Earth, which are most disharmonious—especially in comparison to the Wanderer’s home planet—and then try to work through that disharmony in a manner that is of service-to-others and maybe also secondarily would help you and your own personal growth.

Any final thoughts on the question?

Just a quick comment on the foolhardiness/bravery statement by Ra. I consider the numbers that they gave in the early 80s. Don asked about what percentages of Wanderers have awoken to their status of being from elsewhere. I think that was the question, and Ra gave three categories of percentages. But when you add them all up, the result is that the majority of Wanderers, at least at that time, do not wake up.

Maybe that’s changed since, but it speaks to the foolhardiness/bravery of the decision knowing that, statistically speaking, if you go to this planet, chances are you’re not going to wake up. You’re going to forget who you are and what your mission or service is, and may even, as Ra indicated, become karmically involved.

That’s it for me.

Okay, Austin, a final thought from you.

We are running a little late, but I wanted to share something really quick about that foolhardiness. Jim was saying earlier how incarnating as a Wanderer might even seem fun from a certain perspective, which is so far outside of our third density perspective that it’s hard to imagine. But, I have heard it compared to a roller coaster before where you’re at the peak of the roller coaster, you start to go downhill, and you’re thinking, “What in the world did I do this for? Why am I up here? And why am I essentially terrifying myself?” But then you get to the end of the roller coaster and you’re all pumped up and you get right back in line because you just want to do it again. So, I’ve heard that analogy before.

Jim also shared Carla’s regression, which makes me want to share an experience I had myself. A few years ago, I went into a mystical state where I had a vision that I was with a whole bunch of other beings. I don’t know if this was something that I experienced or if it was just some experience that was being given to me. We were essentially made of light. And I would even compare it to, like, a field of grass given how many of us there were.

We were waiting in anticipation for a response or an approval to our request to go be of service somewhere. And at that moment, the approval for us to go do that came in and there was this overriding joy. It was one of the biggest feelings of joy that I have ever felt in my life and it happened in this experience where we received this approval for us to go help and respond to this call that was being given to us. Our ability to incarnate as Wanderers gave us this overriding joy. We were just so happy to go and help and have this opportunity to be of service. It was a really interesting experience.

Quickly in reply to that, the Confederation does use the word, “privilege,” now and then when they speak about the Wanderer’s ability to be here on Earth, especially at this time of harvest. And that connects to the joy that you felt, too. It is a privilege from that perspective, apparently.

And on that note, I believe we shall end our broadcast. That was a really good analysis, guys.

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